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华人新文化:我们应该如何看待自己?
OP 05/11/2016
Originally Posted by 老客Cliff李忠刚-Sfl,DC from PAChat Group: 交火M1-华人问政
  • 柔道高手(●—●)
    在很多白人眼里,中国人说话大声,满脸冷漠,stereotype很严重。。在欧洲旅游的中国人,还不够丢脸吗?
  • zyan
    当然丢脸,要是我家人我一定好好教育。最好大家都认识到那些缺点。
  • 柔道高手(●—●)
    你们骂别的种族的时候,就有那么大Confidence 白人看的起华人?呵呵。。
  • 谈云识天气
    我第二次到波茨坦公告到博物馆去玩时,因为熟门熟路,就自己从傍边的公园里晃过去。但远远地就听到嘈杂的中国话。我当时就糊涂了,我在哪儿呢?一转弯,原来是一个中国人的旅游车
  • 柔道高手(●—●)
    亲耳听到华人多的地方,白人murmur....''like A zoo''...
  • 北太平庄爱瑞卡
    @lucyliu 在白人和犹太人眼里...///你怎么这么在乎白人的看法啊。。
  • 谈云识天气
    中国人的文化,对上奉承,对下看不起
  • 柔道高手(●—●)
    @北太平庄爱瑞卡  她想姓'赵',奴性充分表现
  • lucyliu
    @太平装,忘了告诉你, 在木斯林,和黑墨眼中,华人也相当优秀聪明,因为成绩和实力在那里的! 现实统计数字也是如此, 你替黑墨木着急了?那劝他们勤劳上进,少犯点罪呗!
  • henry song
    @谈云识天气 “@lucyliu 你是乡下人到美国,文化跳跃太大,有点适应不过来。”。这样说别人 是不是觉得自己特优越啊?
  • 周住好
    @老蒋 我来没几天, 也得到不少成见: 左派普遍不认同中华文化与传统。以紧跟潮流为荣。对进步的理解就是破四旧, 树新风。殊不知自己玩的这一套, 一百年前的激进青年早就玩过了。一一 左派就认几个在美国即将过时的教条,不认事实
  • PAvatar
    >>老客Cliff忠刚 disliked/disagreed 谈云识天气 words on http://pavatar.us @lucyliu 你是乡下人到美国,文化跳跃太大,有点适应不过来。
  • 糯米
    @谈云识天气 哈哈。我认为白人的确教养比较好
  • 糯米
    @谈云识天气 而且我也认为国内的确有地区素质差异

Wow, look at this thread of exchange. What a tremendous self-guilt, Chinese should be so shamed of ourselves to behave like that. 我二十多年前到美国也是这样感觉,very conscientious, 父母来了也嫌他们在超市声音太响,挑黄瓜使劲捏。去年,我爹(speaks no English)在Walmart买了红薯,发现价格是促销打折前的价格,气冲冲跑到客服,一指收据,一指顶上挂的大牌,说了一个字“was”。要是二十年前,我会觉得不好意思,暗地用英语解释一下。Nowadays,我在旁边哈哈笑而已, They made a mistake, they deserve the attitude, and should apologize to my dad, although we don’t have to be nasty, which is OUR discretion to be nice or not at that circumstance.

 

Look,we are who we are. Everyone has his/her merits, and has shortcomings as well. 缺点去意识到慢慢改,努力就是了,没必要觉得自责,尤其中华文化出来的人,让父母和老师害的,自责的体无完肤毫无道理. Don’t make me wrong, I truly appreciate the opportunity I had in this country. 当然,如果我留在中国,从概率上来说,所谓成功的机会可能会更大一些. 但是我不后悔,if I have the chance to choose again, I will still choose to come to US. We are so lucky, we, especially STEM oriented, belong to the group every country would like to have. We are positive part of almost any society. Are we perfect? Of course not, we have our shortcoming, for example, we are loud in public sometimes. 意识到,注意一点就是了,过去的习惯慢慢改。而且我根本就不会提醒父母注意,they can do whatever they feel comfortable, that is my culture. When my formal fiancée, a nice Anglo girl who do not speak Chinese, said she can’t live with my parents. I have to tell her I will live with my parents as long as they live. I only marry someone who will live with and take care of my parents together with me. Well, what about my parents being loud and bothering some “Americans” in public? That is the insignificant price they have to pay to keep me here in this society! If I hear them saying rogatory words “it is like a zoo”, I will bluntly tell them “go back to your dent, you pervert!”. Again, I acknowledge that it is a shortcoming, we will gradually improve. In the meantime while we are enjoying the improving process, I am not in a hurry to be perfect, and just be who I am, and feel pretty darn good about who I am.

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05/11/2016

不是歧视华人。。而是否定一切歧视。。你们看低别人的时候,一样有人看低你们! 把一群人定义为"懒汉"的时候,自己也可能被stereotype。。

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05/11/2016
Quote:柔道高手

不是歧视华人。。而是否定一切歧视。。你们看低别人的时候,一样有人看低你们! 把一群人定义为"懒汉"的时候,自己也可能被stereotype。。

你如果是在通过歧视华人的语言提醒大家不要歧视黑人,你最好说的清楚一些,免得别人误解你。这群里歧视别人的人不像你想象的那么多,更容易误解。 我并没有觉得每个华人应该像我一样,远远地听到汉语感到亲切,但是 “亲耳听到华人多的地方,白人murmur....''like A zoo''...” you side with this rogatory words instead of condemning? You better get a mirror and look at who you are.

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05/11/2016

虽然跟你有些政见不同,但是部分同意这种无需刻意讨好,学乖的态度。

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05/11/2016

还有,华人的尊严应该是由内而生,而不是出于“我比黑墨木好”,“白人觉得我们是模范民族”而产生。那样的想法缺少自尊 @lucyliu 如果有从内而外的自尊,也会对别的民族有宽容,不会居高临下,也不会俯首。

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05/11/2016
Quote:Cliff_Li

你如果是在通过歧视华人的语言提醒大家不要歧视黑人,你最好说的清楚一些,免得别人误解你。这群里歧视别人的人不像你想象的那么多,更容易误解。 我并没有觉得每个华人应该像我一样,远远地听到汉语感到亲切,但是 “亲耳听到华人多的地方,白人murmur....''like A zoo''...” you side with this rogatory words instead of condemning? You better get a mirror and look at who you are.

What do you mean ' I'm not condemning'? I like being called A 'zoo animal' myself? Of course NOT...haha...Why do you suggest I have to condemn racism comment towards myself every time, but not care about this kind of comments coming out from your friends hurting other races? This, to me, is Hypocrisy!

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05/11/2016
Quote:老理儿

还有,华人的尊严应该是由内而生,而不是出于“我比黑墨木好”,“白人觉得我们是模范民族”而产生。那样的想法缺少自尊 @lucyliu 如果有从内而外的自尊,也会对别的民族有宽容,不会居高临下,也不会俯首。

幸亏我们还是高教育,family,低犯罪率,高收入的族群。如果我们是黑人族群,按这种自责方式,还不都自杀去了。

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05/11/2016
Quote:Cliff_Li

幸亏我们还是高教育,family,低犯罪率,高收入的族群。如果我们是黑人族群,按这种自责方式,还不都自杀去了。

似乎这样我们也无需责怪黑人群体不够自责。。。。

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05/11/2016

朋友们。我知道在美国有很多穆斯林比我们这里的任何一位朋友都成功。他们可以嘲笑你们和我?

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05/11/2016
Quote:老理儿

似乎这样我们也无需责怪黑人群体不够自责。。。。

每一个群体都应该自省,自责,但目的是提高,要基于对自己文化和优点的肯定。黑人社区现在尤其需要这点,既不自暴自弃,又要有危机感,赶紧努力翻身,not be left out in the tech era, replaced by machine. 但华人是另一个问题,是心理因素作怪,是负面文化训斥文化下的产物。也是我们新文化群要努力帮助排解的毒瘤,不要把这种毒素太多地传给下一代。

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05/11/2016
Quote:Cliff_Li

每一个群体都应该自省,自责,但目的是提高,要基于对自己文化和优点的肯定。黑人社区现在尤其需要这点,既不自暴自弃,又要有危机感,赶紧努力翻身,not be left out in the tech era, replaced by machine. 但华人是另一个问题,是心理因素作怪,是负面文化训斥文化下的产物。也是我们新文化群要努力帮助排解的毒瘤,不要把这种毒素太多地传给下一代。

i wont speak for the african american community. they know what they need. i only know i am not going to act like a racist. that's my job.

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